It looks like we are a go for Debian Fork.
I'll throw it a bill because I believe firmly we have crossed a tipping point.
And there is no going back.
http://debianfork.org/
We are forking the Debian project to create a new base distribution that promotes Init Freedom.
It seems their goal is to make a few minor changes to the base system that will be able to continue using Debian's package repository.First of all and concurrently with Debian 8 "Jessie" release, we aim at having a complete solution to which current Debian users can dist-upgrade smoothly.
Randicus Draco Albus wrote:Waste of money.We are forking the Debian project to create a new base distribution that promotes Init Freedom.
Good idea, but what about packages? Install from source or create a duplicate of Debian's repository with any changes that must be made to remove systemd dependencies in all packages that will eventually have them?It seems their goal is to make a few minor changes to the base system that will be able to continue using Debian's package repository.First of all and concurrently with Debian 8 "Jessie" release, we aim at having a complete solution to which current Debian users can dist-upgrade smoothly.
Creating a derivative that begins with Debian's base system minus systemd might be viable. It would require two conditions: 1) Enough developers to create and maintain a repository or use package installation from source. The latter is possible, the former is not. 2) The Poettering cabal does not target the new group of "haters" like they are currently targeting Gentoo. This project's goals are too wide-reaching and too ambiguous to take it seriously.
anastasis wrote:I think we're going to see a debian fork with development and wherewithal.
Coup? A coup would be taking over the Debian project. Mark Shuttleworth's dream and apparently Red Hat's partial success. A fork is not a coup.anastasis wrote:Unless, of course, they aren't bluffing and really do have enough development backing to exact a coup.
They probably are serious, but it is a delusion of grandeur.I don't think they're bluffing.
Where will the developers come from? Do you have any idea how large the Debian project is?I think we're going to see a debian fork with development and wherewithal.
Irrelevant. A dozen people spread across the world or a dozen people in one location are both a dozen people. The question is, how many developers will they attract? Enough to maintain a project as large as Debian? They need to think smaller.And I think it's going to be worldwide.
Highly doubtful.I think we're looking a whole new ball game and a brave new world.
systemturd has already achieved domination and once Jessie is released they it will have effectively usurped Linux. The only hope of keeping it at bay is supporting the remaining existing distributions that resist. Or perhaps starting a new independent distro that will attract users. Wishful thinking is useless.This is forking Debian. And they can't usurp it with systemd domination.
They can't. They won't.
That is not what the people behind this fork project are suggesting.The fork doesn't have to be a fork of every last package in the debian archives.
No, it can be different. It can start small.
Why not just think in terms of producing a stable and small fork of Jessie with sysvinit.
It can be a campy little thing. A server distro built for server admins.
Anyone can use it, of course, but it will begin small and focussed.
You might even have to compile a few packages now and again that aren't yet in the archives.
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