TEOTWAWKI, or The End Of The World As We Know It

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Re: TEOTWAWKI, or The End Of The World As We Know It

Postby Beewolf » May 20th, 2011, 12:35 am

weedeater64 wrote:Some of the longest lived individuals ever recorded, are from societies with out technology that you deem 'necessary'.

Some of these folks don't have in their societies , cancer , tooth decay, high blood pressure...
This is attributable to the horrible diet most industrialized nations have(especially in the US). Insulin resistance does a number to your body and the standard American diet is loaded with sugar(our bodies are too good at breaking up "carbs" to call them anything else).
They often live extremely leisurely lives, as compared to our lives. What were the promises of all the 'conveniences' again ? Was it to become slave to them?
It's a matter of time preference: you may live a lower-quality life now, but your investment (if successful)pays off with a much easier life later(as I mentioned, that free time was sacrificed to gain food security).
Something in between seem the best approach. Because we can do a thing (some over priced of resource hungry tech), doesn't mean we should. Sadly this is rarely considered, usually ignored completely.
Your average person is willing to pay a surprisingly steep price for comfort and convenience - so long as they've the wherewithal to do so, there's no reason to stop them.
I have nothing against agriculture or even husbandry. However, the way they've been implemented is not only unsustainable, it is detrimental, particularly here in the US.
A lot of that can be fixed by ending all the subsidies to Big Agra.
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Re: TEOTWAWKI, or The End Of The World As We Know It

Postby JohnDeere630 » May 20th, 2011, 1:10 am

:lol: Well, I guess I did this to myself. I should have just titled this thread "Making ethanol from sugar beets"...too late now.

@Weedeater64...my apologies; please feel free to express your views, I just hope you never have to test them. Anyone who thinks hunter/gatherers had a lot of free time should try it sometime..and BTW, ALL the neolithic peoples whose cultures and remains have been studied suffered greatly from external and internal parasites. When you eat anything you can find, and rarely bathe because the hot water and soap necessary are products of the technology you despise, parasites and disease are facts of life.

But please, don't let facts hinder your fine philosophy. I fully agree that the era we are currently in, aka "The Age of Stupid" is totally unsustainable...7 billion and counting, depleted reserves of water, profligate waste in every aspect of our lives, etc., etc. But one positive note in the unmitigated horror of any kind of infrastructure collapse will be the utter hilarity of watching all the anti-technology, granola-munching, Birkenstock sandal-wearing bunny-huggers try to get by without the products of the very technology they despise. Unlike many, I know from hard experience that every morsel one stuffs in their pie-hole has to be grown or caught, processed, and shipped to their grocery store of choice, where they may pedal their bicycle (made of steel somebody had to mine, smelt, forge and assemble, BTW)to purchase the fruits, vegetables (careful not to buy any with any blemishes!) and tofu (made from soybean oil that has been extracted from the beans with hexane, a known carcinogen)that make up their dinner, with money (another technological invention) they (hopefully) earned from some job statistically unlikely to be directly involved with any kind of real production, then take it to their home, heated, cooled and lit either directly or indirectly with fossil fuels, cook it with more fossil energy, and consume it, all the while complaining bitterly about the pesticides and chemical fertilizers needed to produce it. Then after their hearty meal, they go take a shit on their manufactured ceramic toilet, flushed with water that has been pumped, purified and delivered with yet more fossil energy, then to add insult to injury, wipe their ass with toilet paper made from trees harvested and processed with yet more fossil energy!

But what the heck, you are as entitled to your opinions as I am to mine...I just pray that you never have to put your money where your mouth is; lack of technology may not be as liberating as you think.

*Edited to change diatribe to impersonal "they" since it is not aimed at weedeater64 personally, just his flawed philosophy*
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Re: TEOTWAWKI, or The End Of The World As We Know It

Postby cynwulf » May 20th, 2011, 9:18 am

I see the hobbies and interests forum just went borderline political...

I vowed long ago never to get into such debates ever again so... carry on and good luck.

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Re: TEOTWAWKI, or The End Of The World As We Know It

Postby Roel » May 20th, 2011, 9:52 am

JohnDeere630 wrote:Unlike many, I know from hard experience that every morsel one stuffs in their pie-hole has to be grown or caught, processed, and shipped to their grocery store of choice, where they may pedal their bicycle (made of steel somebody had to mine, smelt, forge and assemble, BTW)to purchase the fruits, vegetables (careful not to buy any with any blemishes!) and tofu (made from soybean oil that has been extracted from the beans with hexane, a known carcinogen)that make up their dinner, with money (another technological invention) they (hopefully) earned from some job statistically unlikely to be directly involved with any kind of real production, then take it to their home, heated, cooled and lit either directly or indirectly with fossil fuels, cook it with more fossil energy, and consume it, all the while complaining bitterly about the pesticides and chemical fertilizers needed to produce it. Then after their hearty meal, they go take a shit on their manufactured ceramic toilet, flushed with water that has been pumped, purified and delivered with yet more fossil energy, then to add insult to injury, wipe their ass with toilet paper made from trees harvested and processed with yet more fossil energy!


Are you trying here to describe the way the "average" Dutch people used to spend their holidays 25 years ago?
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Re: TEOTWAWKI, or The End Of The World As We Know It

Postby cynwulf » May 20th, 2011, 10:02 am

Those damnable hippies!

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Re: TEOTWAWKI, or The End Of The World As We Know It

Postby JohnDeere630 » May 20th, 2011, 2:11 pm

cynwulf wrote:I see the hobbies and interests forum just went borderline political...

I vowed long ago never to get into such debates ever again so... carry on and good luck.

:lol:


It wasn't my intent to get all political, nor was it my intent to "convert" anyone to my admittedly bizarre way of thinking, but weedeater just pushed the wrong button, but what the heck, at least no one is going to come by and scold us for being offtopic. I was going to split this thread, but the heck with it; a good "discussion" gets the blood flowing.... :lol:
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Re: TEOTWAWKI, or The End Of The World As We Know It

Postby jheaton5 » May 20th, 2011, 4:11 pm

YOU ARE WAY OFF TOPIC -- CUT IT OUT!
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Re: TEOTWAWKI, or The End Of The World As We Know It

Postby JohnDeere630 » May 20th, 2011, 6:05 pm

jheaton5 wrote:YOU ARE WAY OFF TOPIC -- CUT IT OUT!


An extra round of moderator scolding all around...I am so ashamed! :oops: :mrgreen:
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Re: TEOTWAWKI, or The End Of The World As We Know It

Postby MrJames » May 20th, 2011, 7:11 pm

Free JohnDeere630 now!!! :lol:
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Re: TEOTWAWKI, or The End Of The World As We Know It

Postby JohnDeere630 » May 20th, 2011, 7:21 pm

MrJames wrote:Free JohnDeere630 now!!! :lol:


Nah, 'angins too good for 'im, throw the bum out!
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