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Postby ixe » July 15th, 2016, 2:16 am

Although I usually don't connect-the-dots across my various forum accounts, I'll wave "Hi" and mention that I'm user "thwak" at refracta forum.
I'm "all about" debian without systemd, and have great hopes for devuan.

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I'm not a manjaro user, but have learned quite a bit from reading their forums and was sad to see them switch over to "Discourse".
Devuan have also chosen Discourse to power their forum. Where else? Hmm, I'm thinking another place I recently ran into it was the Whonix forum site.

I wonder what these forum admins (or other project decisionmakers) are smoking.
Checked the installation/hosting requirements for Discourse and... its so heavy that you need a dedicated server
( along with a background in configuring ruby...rails...REDIS database? )
Perhaps the people opting to use Discourse are overly-optimistic, expecting "this is gonna be HUGE and we need a platform which will scale to handle 10k concurrent users" ?

Have any of you (who are reading this post) ever found a THRIVING forum using the Discourse platform?
I can't think of a single example and, worse, have witnessed the participation tank to nothingness at several sites that have switched to Discourse.
Good example: the Mozilla forum

Hope time will prove me wrong, but I'm worried that the devuan forum is doomed to failure.
Considering that the web interface for their whack-ass mailinglist archive reader is essentially unusable,
it's like... they really don't intend to be an "open" (accessible to participation) project.

Somewhere through the months, I think I did read that the devuan principals really aren't interested in producing a "distro", they just intend to provide a suitable base for use by derivative distros. That's fine -- not fine as in ideal, but fine as in it's the same admirable role that slackware fills -- but why haven't we yet seen any "based on devuan" distributions?
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Postby golinux » July 15th, 2016, 3:14 am

Hi thwak,

I also do not like Discourse. In part it was chosen because it allows for participation by email. Or so I've heard. It's not my thing. Don't know whether anyone is actually doing it that way. I have no problem with the mailing list. There's plenty of participation there.

As to distros based on Devuan from the index page of the site:

Distributions based on Devuan

Various operating system distributions have already started adopting Devuan as a base OS.

Here below a list in order of chronological appearance

Gnuinos http://gnuinos.org
Refracta http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta
Nelum-dev1 https://sourceforge.net/projects/nelum-dev1
Star https://sourceforge.net/projects/linnix
Zephyr https://sourceforge.net/projects/zephyrlinux
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Postby ixe » July 15th, 2016, 7:21 pm

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Thanks for the list. Zephr was not yet listed when I last checked. I'm downloading its ISO now
Hey, no one has yet added a zephyr link to the page at without-systemd.org !


Star: kudos to ozidev, but without a supporting website etc, star amounts to a curated respin/remaster, not a distro IMO.

Refracta: hmm, I visit the forum often & hadn't read refracta described as being "based on devuan". From reading there, I had the impression that devuan was incomplete, in terms of available packages, so dzz was filling in by building needed/missing packages. If dzz was packaging FOR devuan, I missed that detail. I also wondered why, why the seemingly parallel (but separate) packaging activity.

GNUinos: "Libre distro based on Devuan"
I discovered that link on the without-systemd.org main page. When I last checked, it seemed stuck in planning.
Today its homepage still states "alpha2, not ready for production"

Nelum-dev1: amounts to a curated respin/remaster, not a distro. He states this, more or less, here:
https://sourceforge.net/p/nelum-dev1/di ... /aaafbded/
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Postby golinux » July 15th, 2016, 8:03 pm

ixe wrote:Thanks for the list. Zephr was not yet listed when I last checked. I'm downloading its ISO now
Hey, no one has yet added a zephyr link to the page at without-systemd.org !

I'm not sure if anybody at Devuan even knows who does that site. There is currently a zephr thread on the Refracta forum. fsmithred and figlfdev are playing with it.

ixe wrote:Refracta: hmm, I visit the forum often & hadn't read refracta described as being "based on devuan".

From the Refracta homepage at http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/

Refracta is based on Devuan GNU/Linux.

I have not played with any of those based-on distros - I'm strictly a Devuan/Refracta user. I have been running Devuan since December without a hiccup. And some folks are using it in production too.
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Postby ixe » July 16th, 2016, 11:34 pm

booted zephyr and... wtf?
It booted with systemd init
Wound up with a top-edge fluxbox toolbar, no fluxbox menu, no Alt+F2 access to gexec or other runner.
No docs. No readme provided.
Visited virtual console and played "let's guess the livesession user and/or root login. No dice.
Tried booting to runlevel 3. No dice.

seems like the project of some "ima gonna build a dixtro. W00t 1101!!" lunkhead.
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Postby ixe » July 16th, 2016, 11:36 pm

From the Refracta homepage at http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/

Refracta is based on Devuan GNU/Linux.
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Postby cynwulf » July 19th, 2016, 4:12 pm

ixe wrote:Hope time will prove me wrong, but I'm worried that the devuan forum is doomed to failure.

;)

ixe wrote:Somewhere through the months, I think I did read that the devuan principals really aren't interested in producing a "distro", they just intend to provide a suitable base for use by derivative distros. That's fine -- not fine as in ideal, but fine as in it's the same admirable role that slackware fills -- but why haven't we yet seen any "based on devuan" distributions?

Slackware produced only as a base for derivative Linux distros...? You might be smoking the same stuff as the devuan folks... :mrgreen:
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