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Black "noise" in MATE panel, with kernel 3.16 only

Postby Aalexeey » December 16th, 2014, 10:13 pm

With last backports kernel I've get some black stuff around icons in the MATE panel. Debian Wheezy 64 bit MATE 1.6.1 and now 1.8.1
http://debianforum.ru/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8527.0;attach=2271 here: http://debianforum.ru/index.php?topic=8527.0
How to remove it?
I have no idea how to attach any thing here, an image from some stupid galery site will disappear sooner or later!
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Re: Black "noise" in MATE panel with kernel 3.16

Postby Aalexeey » April 10th, 2015, 1:03 pm

It's disappeared in 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae_3.16.7-ckt4-3~bpo70+1_i386 but so far present in 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64_3.16.7-ckt9-2~bpo70+1_amd64 :x , looks like the 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64_3.12.9-1~bpo70+1_amd64 still the best :)
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Re: Black "noise" in MATE panel, with kernel 3.16 only

Postby statikregimen » June 13th, 2015, 6:40 am

Sorry this isn't of much help, but it sounds to me like you should submit a bug report, and in the mean time, use an older version that works. It sounds like perhaps something they're unaware is happening in some of their builds.
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Re: Black "noise" in MATE panel, with kernel 3.16 only

Postby cynwulf » June 13th, 2015, 11:25 am

Why do you need anything other than the oldstable kernel (3.2)?

My suggestion is to not use backports kernels as a main kernel - they will be maintained as long as the maintainer wants to and will eventually be obsoleted in favour of a newer kernel - as is the case of 3.12 - before eventually drying up completely, especially with oldstable. Backports kernels are really only useful for testing to see if you need a newer kernel (and that's very useful in itself).

https://www.kernel.org/ shows that 3.16 is already EoL. To run 3.12 (which is a longterm kernel) you will have to get the source and build and maintain it yourself - or just use the oldstable 3.2 kernel if that works?
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Re: Black "noise" in MATE panel, with kernel 3.16 only

Postby Aalexeey » June 17th, 2015, 11:54 am

cynwulf wrote:Why do you need anything other than the oldstable kernel (3.2)

The 3.2 kernel is unstable and full of old unstable "gliching" drivers like Atheros network drivers wich have to be Atheros-Qualcomm long long long time ago, or Radeon, my HD4850 and X1600 agp cards are not bootable with 3.2 kernel and perfectly bootable with any backport kernel!
Atheros here: http://debianforum.ru/index.php?topic=2209.15 , fn - keys are not functioning with 3.16 here viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2612
I have 5 different PCs old and new, typical and most popular hardware, with no one is every thing working fine, any kernels I tried.
The bug reports are ignored and accepted as not important, that is important for this gentlemen I have no idea. There are so far same in the 3.16 kernel, how can they call "Jessie" stable. I had checked a 3.16 kernels and find a bug immediately, the visible bug, so much important for modern user? The distro became like Ubuntu, lots of important unfinished parts. It looks like nice painted room with unpainted corners (some body sad no problems the walls are painted :lol: ).
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Re: Black "noise" in MATE panel, with kernel 3.16 only

Postby cynwulf » June 17th, 2015, 1:23 pm

1) "unstable" does not mean what you think it does so your overuse of that word is not helping in getting your point across.

2) Atheros drivers are included in the kernel - there is no such thing as either an "Atheros" nor a "Qualcomm Atheros" driver. https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k. If the kernel predates your device or driver support was experimental, this is not the fault of the kernel. It's your fault for choosing the wrong distribution, not doing the correct research or not bothering to build a newer kernel.

3) The fn key problem refers (again) to a backports kernel. 3.16 is an EoL kernel as I've already said.

http://backports.debian.org/
Backports cannot be tested as extensively as Debian stable, and backports are provided on an as-is basis, with risk of incompatibilities with other components in Debian stable. Use with care!

http://backports.debian.org/FAQ/
Q: Is there security support for packages from backports.debian.org?

A: Unfortunately not. This is done on a best effort basis by the people who track the package, usually the ones who originally did upload the package into backports. When security related bugs are fixed in Debian unstable the backporter is permitted to upload the package from directly there instead of having to wait until the fix hits testing. You can see the open issues for wheezy-backports in the security tracker (though there may be false positives too, the version compare isn't perfect yet)


Installing a backports kernel then complaining that it doesn't suit your needs is simply whining. If you want a newer kernel, then you must build an kernel from source obtained from linux.org or the unstable source repository. You can still build this kernel against the Debian kernel's 3.2 config (or a newer config from unstable).

4) Have you tried compiling 3.12? and see if that resolves your problem?

5) If you're just here to bash Debian, then there is no point continuing - find another distro more suited to your needs.
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Re: Black "noise" in MATE panel, with kernel 3.16 only

Postby Aalexeey » June 18th, 2015, 7:11 am

cynwulf wrote:Why do you need anything other than the oldstable kernel (3.2)?

Answer with question to the question is it normal for a forum? I don't think any body asking and waiting here for fun only? Your talks about distro is here for nothing. You initiated a question in the question, and You had get the answer. Complain to Yourself please.
My question was:
Aalexeey wrote:With last backports kernel I've get some black stuff around icons in the MATE panel. Debian Wheezy 64 bit MATE 1.6.1 and now 1.8.1
How to remove it?
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