notthatguy wrote:The stuff I 'dug up' was a similar thread that I started that seemed to show that everyone wanted a vote in everything and not any sort of representative group. Just pointing it out...
Almost everyone wanted to vote and almost everyone refused any kind of moderation - even if only for discussion - or the idea of a "forum council" - another +1 for democracy.
notthatguy wrote:I threw out ideas to discuss and they all ended with "everything is fine" and "stop these long discussions" so i happily did.
I agree that this is what happened and has been happening all along. It seems that people don't even want these discussions - hence why I say "nominate/elect a staff and be done with it". We've had people vociferously defending their rights here and then disappearing for weeks if not months. I don't see the point in being part of a board if you only turn up to vote and protect the democracy here.
notthatguy wrote:For me the system here is wishy-washy in that some things are done by vote, sometimes by general agreement and other times it is executive action. That to me is no system.
I agree, but we've had two years to sort out a system - in my opinion we did not get even 50% there and the enforcement of the system is non existent because people simply don't have to bother and no one can force them. When the finer points have been discussed or the procedures and processes for the system have been brought up, people have not wanted to discuss it. So what do you do? Taking a week with everybody voting on every little detail was ridiculous as there were hundreds of details to go through and we never even scratched the surface. Instead we had people making reactionary legislation - i.e. attempting to rush through changes to the rules on a knee jerk in reaction to some particular incident. This is what has been going on for two years and it's not working.
The board quiets down and people say "oh well it's alright now, just leave it"... then the shit hits the fan again in a few weeks/months and we're back here again debating the same old things... again: It's quiet and trouble free at the moment because there's nothing doing...
notthatguy wrote:But my understanding is that the members were fine with it when i brought it up in the past. I am not fine with it so there is nothing for me to do but stand aside. That is what I have been doing and more than happy to continue. I am not willing to participate overly much on a board where I feel the system is wishy-washy I hope that is understandable. No hard feelings, just not interested in that.
I am not fine with it either, I don't think any member is content with the status quo here, but people have simply gotten jaded with this site and the unnecessary complexity of it. The voting is a ball ache and most new members simply haven't got a clue what's going on here...
notthatguy wrote:As far as the ban I was pretty sure it was not by vote but have no idea beyond that how it was handled. It could of been by vote and I probably would of missed it. I honestly try not to pay attention to anything in the community section since I am not in the voters group and since I don't think the system is what it should be.
As far as I recall, the ban was an executive move. I didn't agree with that, but to be fair, members could have voted to impeach or overturn the ban. It seems that no one did.
The biggest problem I see here is that members fell out and we lost some of those members and others because of all of this. huggybear in particular was one of the pillars of this site and now he's gone. I find that unacceptable but I'm not pointing the finger at anyone.