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Re: What Forum?

Postby Acewiza » February 23rd, 2019, 6:22 pm

I'm on the mailing list, but they don't normally have alot of useful user-type info. By that I mean, they contain all the typical update, what's new and right and good-type stuff. But I'm more interested in the non-Debian-official what's not exactly right, where-have-we-gone-wrong-type info.
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Re: What Forum?

Postby golinux » February 23rd, 2019, 7:02 pm

Acewiza wrote:But I'm more interested in the non-Debian-official what's not exactly right, where-have-we-gone-wrong-type info.

It's unlikely that Debian will ever consider that they have "gone wrong". Redhat and freedesktop.org pwn them.
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Re: What Forum?

Postby cynwulf » February 25th, 2019, 2:53 pm

lester] wrote:Do you wonder how many of the old regulars that you remember, and still want to believe use Debian?
Of those you remember and think may still use Debian, ymmv
how many of them do you think use systemd i, init, or both
and does anyone still care

I honestly don't know who still uses Debian, whether with systemd or not.

I moved away from Linux before the systemd mess came along (the last Debian release I used was wheezy, then used Slackware for about a year or so). It has determined that I will not be going back however.

But for me it's not just systemd though, it's the corporate nature of the whole thing. So in my view, projects which just hack away at keeping systemd at bay are in a kind of Maginot Line like situation. They are niche and will probably remain so.

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Big corporations fund Linux. Linux powers all of the world's super computers, it powers Android and other embedded devices and of course countless IoT devices. In terms of servers, in particular web servers, Linux dominates - and in that field it's Red Hat and SUSE and thus - systemd. The Red Hat workstations, making use of gnome/freedesktop.org stuff are few and far between, but that's where the money is coming from.

What doesn't dominate is X.org and the whole "Linux desktop" idea as put forward by the likes of Mark Shuttleworth in the early '00s. Anyone who actually regards a Linux x86 laptop/desktop PC as a "production system", can't be doing anything very "productive"... there are use cases, but still all very niche.

MS Windows is still rooted into that position very firmly, with no sign of any change. It "just works", despite it's flaws and it has the driving force of in excess of 95% market share behind it. That's what really matters, as proprietary software developers (i.e. those who want to make a living and pay bills) will of course develop for the largest platform.

The hobbyists, running the hobbyist distros are what amounts to nothing - they simply don't factor in. The 'BSDs are even smaller. They have specialised uses, in industry and developers and donors which keep them afloat, but in terms of "Enterprise Server" market, to all intents and purposes they don't exist and few have heard about them or really care about them.

"Free software" essentially became a business, Linux in particular became a massive asset to business and a select few distributions, with corporate backing, are the only distributions with any influence on "upstream".

Or as nadir used to put it: "It's all a big fuck".

We're deluding ourselves if we think it's still "free".
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Forum?

Postby lester] » February 28th, 2019, 7:43 pm

which forum is a good question.

probably depends on personal preference.
life style social cultural peer pressures.

The last ten years have brought political financial business legal public sector religious social
cultural integration as well as declassification by all means mentioned above.
And new classifications devised to take the place of those released.
is it funny how somethings that were illegal 10 years ago are not only presently legal but also revered by peers if not public in general. ie: hedgefund administrators.

a serious evaluation of the rule is needed by each to determine how to integrate ones ideals into
the current state of the planet we populate and if that is still a possibility.

Are there to many living creature on the planet? How many humans would you guess populate this planet? Do you still follow the world popuation clocks? If you ever did follow those clocks have you noticed any changes on the last several years?

I can still handle some basic arithmetic problems and this person seems to have a grasp of many of the symbols. https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2013/09/the-real-population-problem/

good luck however you choose which forum and what might have been done wrong.
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Re: What Forum?

Postby golinux » February 28th, 2019, 7:54 pm

http://vhemt.org is the solution
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Re: What Forum?

Postby rrq » February 28th, 2019, 10:45 pm

Solution to what? I couldn't find any forum there... or maybe you mean that any forum is fantastic if there's noone around to dislike it?
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Re: What Forum?

Postby golinux » February 28th, 2019, 11:09 pm

rrq: You are usually not so obtuse.
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Re: What Forum?

Postby rrq » March 1st, 2019, 12:53 am

Yeah I had a couple of spare cycles during morning coffee that I thought to waste at being cute. Gone now :)
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Re: What Forum?

Postby golinux » March 1st, 2019, 1:11 am

More coffee!! :D
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Re: What Forum?

Postby Randicus Draco Albus » March 1st, 2019, 8:51 pm

cynwulf wrote:Anyone who actually regards a Linux x86 laptop/desktop PC as a "production system", can't be doing anything very "productive"... there are use cases, but still all very niche.
I guess it depends on how one defines production. Trying to use Microsoft Word for "production" was what drove me to the edge with Windows and forced me to try an alternative. Word is such crap that I could not get anything done with it. However, over the years I have done a lot of "production" with OpenOffice and then LibreOffice. I consider production to be getting work done. So my definition may be more liberal some people's. I could not get anything done that I needed to do with Windows, so for me Windows was at all productive. How productive different operating systems are will depend on what different people use them for.
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