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Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable RC

PostPosted: April 21st, 2017, 11:54 pm
by nauved
This pretty much sums up what Devuan is about:

Devuan is the Debian that was and could have been.

You can read the announcement on the devuan.org website or on the dng mail list archives.

Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable RC

PostPosted: April 22nd, 2017, 11:03 am
by Randicus Draco Albus
Nice to see it is still alive.
Your signature is dangerous though. It could be troll bait.

Devuan user: May the fork be with you.
Debian user answers: Get the fork out if here.
Poettering: I'll fork systemd and pulse audio down all your throats!
BSD user: You're all forked-up.
:lol:

Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable RC

PostPosted: April 22nd, 2017, 2:16 pm
by nauved
Randicus Draco Albus wrote:Nice to see it is still alive.
Your signature is dangerous though. It could be troll bait.

Devuan user: May the fork be with you.
Debian user answers: Get the fork out if here.
Poettering: I'll fork systemd and pulse audio down all your throats!
BSD user: You're all forked-up.
:lol:

Yes, very alive and kicking! In over two years that I've had that sig, I've never been trolled over it.

Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable RC

PostPosted: April 22nd, 2017, 7:49 pm
by nauved
Here is the review from The Register. The comments are quite supportive and indicate that there really is a place for Devuan in the Linux world. The tide is turning . . .

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/2 ... _released/

Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable RC

PostPosted: April 24th, 2017, 9:11 am
by cynwulf
One of the comments contained this link: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644

Priceless... not sure how he gets away with it. "you will smell my shit and like it".

Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable RC

PostPosted: April 24th, 2017, 5:02 pm
by nauved
I copied this comment that was deleted before he closed it:

https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/2 ... e0.en.html

This really tells the story of where systemd is going:

https://in.waw.pl/systemd-github-state/ ... issues.svg

The graph is linked from https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/

If the 'wontfix' bugs were included, the numbers would be even worse. As we predicted, the ship is sinking and going down.

Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable RC

PostPosted: April 25th, 2017, 1:20 am
by Randicus Draco Albus
cynwulf wrote:One of the comments contained this link: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644

Priceless... not sure how he gets away with it. "you will smell my shit and like it".
Priceless. :lol:

I am not sure I'd consider this much of a problem. Yeah, it's a UNIX pitfall, but "rm -rf /foo/.*" will work the exact same way, no?
Followed by several answers of No with expanations. And he is a professional programmer? And the programming saviour of Linux? Oh dear.

Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable RC

PostPosted: April 25th, 2017, 8:45 am
by cynwulf
It's being "widely adopted" because it fits Red Hat's business model, the quality of the code is irrelevant. sysadmins are pushing it on message boards and questions and answers sites, because sysadmins believe that maintaining 1000 VMs and being able to administer all of those with minimal work/effort from a single terminal is the be all and end all. Everyone and everything else is irrelevant, you don't matter, it's their job and what do you know? (they probably run windows or macOS at home).

System V init and BSD style init are shit for these people because they simply can't write rc scripts or put a system together from scratch, compared to those who came before.

They're really not that much different to the Windows Server admins. By watering down the skills and allowing a few corporations to steer, we're losing freedom and independence and simply giving up to yet another corporate master. This equates to software which is free only in terms licence, but not free in spirit.