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Re: suggest other distros a debianite might be interested in

Postby notthatguy » July 11th, 2013, 7:30 pm

Slackware tried to stick to the KISS principles

The more I think about the latest 'advancements' the more I like that idea. Lately I feel like even debian is holding my hand or deciding a little bit too much for me. Even the base feels a bit bloaty to me. Of course I can rip debian apart, but if I am going to do that I am not sure it makes sense to be using debian in the first place. Then again, maybe it is time for 'deans new distro' which is broken-down-debian although that probably isnt the best name for a new distro. :D


Even package management tools are scripts which can be edited if you wish.

now that sounds cool! Now if I can understand the code....that will be a miracle :)

Unless disk space is a huge problem, you can perform a full install and Slackware will not be any more bloated.

Not a problem I just like to know exactly what is on my system and only having things on it that I actually use.

I'd like to say they're as easy as shovelling shit (it is for me), but I suppose some will find it hard or complain that there's no dependency resolution, or that they shouldn't have to build from source.
Compiling is not my favorite thing, not because it is hard but because it is tedious, time consuming, and I just feel like there are better things to do. Yea, just lazy really. Maybe debian has made me lazy in that regard.


I do think slackware is one to try...maybe tonight...
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Re: suggest other distros a debianite might be interested in

Postby Richard » July 11th, 2013, 8:21 pm

I'm enjoying SolydX, based on Debian testing.
Just more fun to share it with others.
And more things to fix and try.
And it is usually stable and quick.

I've run SalineOS with Xfce which is Debian Stable
for the last 2 years, "Because speed and stability matter."
And it does. Just boring because it always works.
Shouldn't this be what we offer to Windows users?
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Re: suggest other distros a debianite might be interested in

Postby FretfulMother » July 11th, 2013, 8:37 pm

I always tell Windows users to use Windows.
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Re: suggest other distros a debianite might be interested in

Postby Richard » July 11th, 2013, 8:53 pm

Yeah, probably.
They will change when they feel the need.
And then there's always Ubuntu. :)
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Re: suggest other distros a debianite might be interested in

Postby notthatguy » July 12th, 2013, 2:25 am

notthatguy wrote:I do think slackware is one to try...maybe tonight...


interesting so far...haven't really dug in to see how slim and custom I can make it

the default installs are very 'just works' and seems to include everything configured and ready to go for regular user
way too bloaty for my taste but thats just me

nice to see useful google results when searching for something - no useless ten page ubuntu forum thread, no bug report with a hundred "me too"s, no ubuntu wiki halfass articles....nice....reminds me of the good old days...
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Re: suggest other distros a debianite might be interested in

Postby SoulSingin » July 12th, 2013, 7:34 am

notthatguy wrote:I want a small and basic core install (few hundred mb at most) that I can build upon.

For a list of packages that might go into a "small and basic core install," take a look at Sven-Ola Tuecke's "Debian Kit for Android" provides a super small core (so that it will fit on the device's memory card). It's not the "other distribution" that you're looking for, but it should give you some good ideas.

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abiword
abiword-common
abiword-plugin-grammar
abiword-plugin-mathview
adduser
andromize
andromize-lxde
androresolvd
apt
apt-utils
aptitude
arj
aspell
aspell-en
base-files
base-passwd
bash
binutils
bsdmainutils
bsdutils
build-essential
bzip2
consolekit
coreutils
cpio
cpp
cpp-4.4
cron
dash
dbus
dbus-x11
debconf
debconf-i18n
debian-archive-keyring
debianutils
deborphan
defoma
dialog
dictionaries-common
diffutils
dmsetup
dosfstools
dpatch
dpkg
dpkg-dev
dselect
e2fslibs
e2fsprogs
emacs23-bin-common
emacs23-common
emacs23-nox
emacsen-common
ess
evince
evince-common
exiv2
fakeroot
file
findutils
fontconfig
fontconfig-config
fuse-utils
g++
g++-4.4
gcc
gcc-4.4
gcc-4.4-base
gconf2
gconf2-common
gettext-base
gfortran
gfortran-4.4
ghostscript
gksu
gnome-icon-theme
gnome-keyring
gnumeric
gnumeric-common
gnupg
gnuplot-nox
gnuplot-x11
gpgv
gpicview
grep
groff
groff-base
gsfonts
gtk2-engines
gvfs
gvfs-backends
gvfs-fuse
gzip
hdparm
hicolor-icon-theme
hostname
hunspell-en-us
iceweasel
ifupdown
info
initscripts
insserv
install-info
iproute
iptables
iputils-ping
isc-dhcp-client
isc-dhcp-common
iso-codes
leafpad
libabiword-2.8
libacl1
libaiksaurus-1.2-0c2a
libaiksaurus-1.2-data
libaiksaurusgtk-1.2-0c2a
libalgorithm-diff-perl
libalgorithm-diff-xs-perl
libalgorithm-merge-perl
libarchive1
libart-2.0-2
libasound2
libaspell15
libasyncns0
libatasmart4
libatk1.0-0
libatk1.0-data
libattr1
libavahi-client3
libavahi-common-data
libavahi-common3
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libblas-dev
libblas3gf
libblkid1
libbluetooth3
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libc6
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libfontconfig1
libfontenc1
libfreetype6
libfribidi0
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libgdome2-cpp-smart0c2a
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libice6
libicu44
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libjasper1
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libjpeg62
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libk5crypto3
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liblapack-dev
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liblink-grammar4
liblocale-gettext-perl
liblockfile1
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liblzma2
libmagic1
libmenu-cache1
libmozjs2d
libmpfr4
libnautilus-extension1
libncurses5
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libnetpbm10
libnewt0.52
libnfnetlink0
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libntfs10
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libpango1.0-common
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libxss1
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libxtst6
libxv1
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libxxf86vm1
link-grammar-dictionaries-en
linux-libc-dev
login
logrotate
lp-solve
lsb-base
lsb-release
lxappearance
lxde
lxde-common
lxde-core
lxde-icon-theme
lxinput
lxmenu-data
lxpanel
lxrandr
lxsession
lxsession-edit
lxshortcut
lxterminal
make
man-db
manpages
manpages-dev
mawk
maxima
maxima-doc
maxima-share
menu
menu-xdg
mime-support
module-init-tools
mount
mtools
nano
ncurses-base
ncurses-bin
net-tools
netbase
netcat-traditional
netpbm
ntfs-3g
ntfsprogs
obconf
openbox
openbox-themes
openssh-blacklist
openssh-blacklist-extra
openssh-client
openssh-server
p7zip-full
passwd
patch
patchutils
pcmanfm
perl
perl-base
perl-modules
policykit-1
policykit-1-gnome
poppler-utils
procps
psmisc
psutils
python
python-apt
python-apt-common
python-central
python-minimal
python-support
python2.6
python2.6-minimal
r-base-core
r-base-dev
r-cran-boot
r-cran-class
r-cran-cluster
r-cran-codetools
r-cran-foreign
r-cran-kernsmooth
r-cran-lattice
r-cran-mass
r-cran-matrix
r-cran-mgcv
r-cran-nlme
r-cran-nnet
r-cran-rpart
r-cran-spatial
r-cran-survival
r-recommended
readline-common
resolvconf
rpm
rpm-common
rpm2cpio
rsyslog
sed
sensible-utils
sgml-base
shared-mime-info
sudo
sysv-rc
sysvinit
sysvinit-utils
tar
tasksel
tasksel-data
tcl8.5
tcpd
tightvncserver
tk8.5
traceroute
ttf-dejavu-core
ttf-jsmath
ttf-liberation
ttf-lyx
tzdata
ucf
udev
udisks
unzip
usbmuxd
usbutils
util-linux
vim-common
vim-tiny
wajig
wget
whiptail
wxmaxima
x-ttcidfont-conf
x11-apps
x11-common
x11-session-utils
x11-utils
x11-xfs-utils
x11-xkb-utils
x11-xserver-utils
xarchiver
xauth
xbase-clients
xdg-utils
xfonts-base
xfonts-encodings
xfonts-utils
xinit
xkb-data
xml-core
xrdp
xserver-common
xulrunner-1.9.1
xz-utils
zip
zlib1g
zlib1g-dev



That's 547 packages taking up about 1.2 GB, while providing a full desktop.
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Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
tmpfs                 406M   84K  406M   1% /dev
tmpfs                 406M     0  406M   0% /mnt/asec
tmpfs                 406M     0  406M   0% /mnt/obb
/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/system
                      1.5G  1.2G  197M  86% /system
/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/userdata
                      4.8G  3.9G  959M  81% /data
/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/cache
                      827M   15M  813M   2% /cache
/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/persist
                      7.9M  4.2M  3.8M  53% /persist
/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/modem
                       64M   43M   22M  67% /firmware
/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/efs
                       14M  4.2M  9.3M  32% /efs
/dev/block/dm-0       2.1M  100K  2.0M   5% /mnt/asec/com.keramidas.TitaniumBackupPro-1
/dev/block/dm-1       2.1M   84K  2.0M   5% /mnt/asec/eu.chainfire.supersu.pro-1
/dev/block/dm-2       2.1M  448K  1.6M  22% /mnt/asec/com.joeykrim.buildpropeditor-1
/dev/loop3            1.5G  1.2G  211M  86% /data/local/mnt
/dev/loop3            1.5G  1.2G  211M  86% /bin
/dev/loop3            1.5G  1.2G  211M  86% /boot
/dev/loop3            1.5G  1.2G  211M  86% /etc
/dev/loop3            1.5G  1.2G  211M  86% /home
/dev/loop3            1.5G  1.2G  211M  86% /lib
/dev/loop3            1.5G  1.2G  211M  86% /media
/dev/loop3            1.5G  1.2G  211M  86% /opt
/dev/loop3            1.5G  1.2G  211M  86% /root
/dev/loop3            1.5G  1.2G  211M  86% /sbin
/dev/loop3            1.5G  1.2G  211M  86% /selinux
/dev/loop3            1.5G  1.2G  211M  86% /srv
/dev/loop3            1.5G  1.2G  211M  86% /tmp
/dev/loop3            1.5G  1.2G  211M  86% /usr
/dev/loop3            1.5G  1.2G  211M  86% /var
/dev/block/vold/179:33
                      3.0G  1.9G  1.2G  61% /media/extSdCard
/dev/block/vold/179:34
                      4.4G  137M  4.0G   4% /media/ext3part



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Re: suggest other distros a debianite might be interested in

Postby SoulSingin » July 12th, 2013, 7:50 am

SoulSingin wrote:ps: I posted this message from Iceweasel running on my Android phone. . ;)

But the screenshot I took with my regular desktop.

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Re: suggest other distros a debianite might be interested in

Postby cynwulf » July 12th, 2013, 9:14 am

notthatguy wrote:interesting so far...haven't really dug in to see how slim and custom I can make it

You can make it as custom any other distro, but of course it requires the user to do most of the work.

notthatguy wrote:the default installs are very 'just works' and seems to include everything configured and ready to go for regular user
way too bloaty for my taste but thats just me

During installation you can choose what you want to install or leave out. It may be considered "bloaty" in terms of disk usage, in terms of memory footprint and general responsiveness, Slackware is one of the slickest distros I've come across. You can usually safely leave out KDE and Xfce, whatever remains is a base system and a selection apps you can remove (even after installation) if you don't want them.

notthatguy wrote:nice to see useful google results when searching for something - no useless ten page ubuntu forum thread, no bug report with a hundred "me too"s, no ubuntu wiki halfass articles....nice....reminds me of the good old days...

Not having tons of derivatives based on it really helps.
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Re: suggest other distros a debianite might be interested in

Postby notthatguy » July 12th, 2013, 1:12 pm

cynwulf wrote:
notthatguy wrote:interesting so far...haven't really dug in to see how slim and custom I can make it

You can make it as custom any other distro, but of course it requires the user to do most of the work.

Right! I didn't mean I wanted to add tons of themes and cool conky configs or anything. :D I just want a super small, simple and basic core that I know and understand. That is my idea of custom, less rather than more. Then I want to add only what I want/need, which is just a handful of apps.

notthatguy wrote:the default installs are very 'just works' and seems to include everything configured and ready to go for regular user
way too bloaty for my taste but thats just me

During installation you can choose what you want to install or leave out. It may be considered "bloaty" in terms of disk usage, in terms of memory footprint and general responsiveness, Slackware is one of the slickest distros I've come across. You can usually safely leave out KDE and Xfce, whatever

Bloaty as in a lot of things installed that I normally leave out of my custom installs. Thats all. Perfectly normal since it is a default install and not a custom one. Very nice, complete, functional default setup they are too, maybe even more sensible and complete that debians default installs. They just have more odds and ends than I care for, which isn't a surprise as I usually do not even care for automounting in my systems. But yes, you can certainly pick and choose what you want, I just haven't been brave enough to uncheck a desktop group yet.
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Re: suggest other distros a debianite might be interested in

Postby notthatguy » July 12th, 2013, 1:47 pm

SoulSingin wrote:For a list of packages that might go into a "small and basic core install," take a look

gconf, udisks, etc....ewww...too much for me :D

you are blowing my mind with this bastard android system stuff, soul

what are you doing using android - that stuff will rot your teeth
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